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    Alright, men - I wanna see what this Gibson group buy is really going to buy me - Paypal is on it's way. Thanks for all of you efforts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrilliantBlackHemi
    The traction mod should do nothing on the dyno since the reading is usually taken in one gear with no gear change. The traction mod removes the engine power drop during gear shifts to make it softer.
    Actually it will. There's no way to lock the Magnum in a gear. I believe there are two shifts involved, with the first one being of minimal effect and the second being... well, everyone in the shop knows when it happens. See if you can guess where it is on this dyno from GIFOPE:

    http://foohbar.com/ul/48/dyno_1024.jpg

    I'll have to pull my video to see if there really are two shifts in there.
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    The original thread has been updated. There is a pretty good chance we're going to test GSM's new traction modification... (see here: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=16879). I really wonder how this mod will respond on the dyno and on the track compared to what we've seen. I'll bet ya Bob is gonna love it!
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    I'm HighHorseman and I approve these tests.

    If you guys haven't contributed to CV's newest test, please do. We're going to be setting him up with some Magnaflow hi-flow cats to test for us and his dyno results along with the Gibson headers will easily show what the results achieved through the changing of the cats will be. Because these tests are completed for the members of this forum by members of this forum, donations are needed to help cover the costs of the testing. I work to provide the parts, but it is the donations from members like you that pay for the testing that provides additional knowledge about these cars and the parts that are on the market for them. I know with recent events that there are much more important places to contribute your funds to, but for you to make a $5 or $10 contribution to these tests, it really does help. CV spends a lot of money out of pocket to bring you these tests and every little bit makes a difference.
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    are both test cars '05 models? did you try a dyno run on a cold motor?

    does the computer detune the motor because the esp knows the front wheels aren't turning (or at least thinks the back wheels are slipping)?

    is there a power difference with the '06 sparkplug configuration as compared to the '05s with different firing times?

    i hope you get enough donations to get it done. i'm in.

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    are both test cars '05 models? did you try a dyno run on a cold motor?
    If you're referring to MattR's and mine, then yes they are both 2005 RT's.
    did you try a dyno run on a cold motor?
    All GIFO1 and GIFO2 runs were made at relatively the same temps. However, I think you'll find numbers from a handful of folks that were at the GIFO2 who had "cold" motors. Really, we didn't see much difference at all.
    does the computer detune the motor because the esp knows the front wheels aren't turning (or at least thinks the back wheels are slipping)?
    Experimentation showed the answer to this question to be no. We pulled fuse 17 in some cases and not in others. The overall power numbers were statistically spot on.
    is there a power difference with the '06 sparkplug configuration as compared to the '05s with different firing times?
    This I'm pretty sure the answer to is no. We rewired my 05 in the GIFO2 and actually showed a decrease in numbers. Thats not to say when we did the rewire, our setup now matched an 06. In fact, thats not the case at all (search on this topic and you'll find a ton of info). I don't think any of the cars run in the GIFO2 were '06, but if there was one in there, we again saw no statistical difference between similar setups.
    i hope you get enough donations to get it done. i'm in.
    Me too! Thanks for helping out!
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    I am sending a Paypal payment as we speak, but I have a quick question.

    You mentioned the Gibson headers will be installed, but will there be a dyno before the headers go on to verify the gain from this mod? I ask because not only am I one of the members of the GB that Josh put together, but since there were like 20 or 25 people who took part in the GB I am sure they would all like to know as well.

    Thanks for any info and for the work you all are doing to inform us owners about our newest (and in most cases most expensive) toys.
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    Yup thats planned. I am doing the tests with the stock cats and I will dyno just before the install, and just after. It'll be on the same dyno CV will be running on so we're going to be consistent there.
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    Guy's (FWIW) I have been running a 180 thermostat for about 4k miles. My unofficial results have been good. I have no fan modification so the engine runs about the same temp as before in stop & go. Out on the highway it runs 183 to 185 in 90+ degree outside temps. There was a few stumbles from the computer the first 30 miles or so since I did not reset the computer. The good thing is that I am convinced I have seen a solid MPG increase on the highway.
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    I have a 180-degree t-stat coming from them along with my torque mod, when GSM ships it. Was only $12.99 so I figured what the hell...
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    I was wondering how the computer would react to the cooler thermosat...FarHawk, if you do indeed see better milage, would you tell us what it was and what it is now??

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    The computer does post a code about a Thermo that opens to early, the question is does a 180 open that early?

    I hope not. I bought one. I will put it in next week after vacation.
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    Scott at GSM told me it did not throw any codes. Farhawk, what do you mean by "a few stumbles"? Maybe I should do a battery disconnect?
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    Well I just heard from Joshua at HHP, and Gibson let us down and didn't get the headers out in time. I have to cancel my install appointment tomorrow.

    They now say they are getting them out today and it will take two days for them to arrive, so Monday I should expect them.

    The good news is I have been in touch with Bob Crespo at SVS R&D throughout while Joshua tried to get Gibson to ship. Next Friday, September 30, was still available and that is now the install date.

    Let me take a moment to say that I have been on the phone with Joshua at least once or twice a day for a week while he poked, prodded and cajoled Gibson to ship at least one set of headers out so we could get this test install done and reported to everyone. As everyone knows who deals with him, Joshua is a great asset to this community as a vendor and a fellow enthusiast and his extensive efforts are very much appreciated!

    On a related note, I've got a 1gb chip in my camera that lets me take a LOT of pictures and 40 minutes of 640x480 video. However I see now that those chip prices are coming down by quite a bit. I think I'll pick up a couple more and do what I can to document via video if they let me under the car during the install.
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    Hi all, thanks to Meister, we'll also be testing the Funnel Ram IV air filter on dyno day. Should be interesting!
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